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your host Ryan Sprague this week I'm

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special witness accounts episode where

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and with me today is Jason McClellan

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from the unknown podcast and we are live

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at hey lien con Los Angeles how's

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oh thank god I'm always worried about

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that that it's gonna be crickets oh

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me today never a cricket the daily

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income this is the best UFO conference

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and we do these things all the time but

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alien con is by far the biggest in the

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funnest event bringing people together

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of all walks of life to talk about

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ancient alien theory aliens in general

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can all come together talk about it not

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be judged and have a good time so that's

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kind of what we're gonna be doing today

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this is a series of my show I call

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witness accounts and this is where

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people come onto my show and tell their

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UFO stories in their own voices I think

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that is much much more important than me

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relaying their story to the audience is

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hearing them tell their own story how

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they experienced it what they think it

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was and the impact it had on their lives

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UFOs come and go in the blink of an eye

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but the impact they have on people can

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be extremely strong in many aspects of

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their lives so what we're gonna sort of

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start out with here today is telling you

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guys about our own personal UFO

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encounters because we both have had them

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and that's kind of set us on the path we

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are today so I I'll share mine first if

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you don't mind yes sir yeah yeah so I

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was 12 years old and this was in the

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central New York area on the East Coast

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and I was fishing off of a dock at a

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motel with my parents and we're on a

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weekend getaway in this river the st.

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Lawrence River literally was the border

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between the u.s. and Canada and it was

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just turning dark and I was out on the

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dock at the motel fishing by myself

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listening to - Green Day on my discman

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this is back in 1995 yep it was the

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Dukey album I remember that specifically

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and it was starting to get dark so I

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reeled my line in because I was done for

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the night and I noticed a reflection in

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the water and it was three white lights

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and at first I thought it was something

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in the water so I like got down and look

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and then I realized you know clearly

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this was a reflection so naturally I

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and I can't tell you how high it was but

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there was a triangular formation with

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three white lights and a sort of like

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reddish orange basketball thing in the

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middle and it was just hovering above me

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this formation I didn't see like a

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structure to this thing I didn't see any

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mechanics nothing like that I only saw

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this formation of lights but I could not

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see anything behind the formation I

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couldn't see the stars I couldn't see

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the moon nothing like that and it just

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hovered silently over my head it was

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very very big and I remember trying to

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scream for my father who was in the

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motel probably I don't know maybe like

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40 feet away from me and I couldn't I

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couldn't get anything out I was so

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scared at what I was looking at and I

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felt frozen there I I couldn't move and

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I just kind of stared up kept watching

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this thing and then it started to float

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over the water and that's when I finally

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for some reason was able to like get out

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of this frozen state and I squealed to

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my father dad see this and he runs out

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and he did catch the tail end of this

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triangular formation as it either headed

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towards Canada and disappeared out of

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sight or literally submerged in the

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water neither of us know we've argued

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about that about what we both think

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happened but that was kind of it for me

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I was terrified at what I'd seen I knew

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that planes made noise and this made no

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noise it hovered and then started to

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move silently and I had nightmares for

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years after that I didn't really talk

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about it with anyone and my dad didn't

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talk about it either

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and I kind of became obsessed after that

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I wanted to sort of educate myself to

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get rid of of that fear and terror that

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I felt that night I started taking out

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books at the library on UFOs and Bigfoot

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anything I could get my hands on and

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that kind of sent me on the path I am

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today interviewing witnesses who've had

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experiences like me we're afraid to talk

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about it for a really long time but now

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are ready to embrace it so it's

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interesting every time

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here your story that the fear you

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described yeah right

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because it seems irrational when you

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think about it because this thing didn't

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do any sort of hostile act toward you it

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didn't do anything that made you think

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he was going to hurt you but it was this

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unknown and that unknown created this

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fear and that's common among people who

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who witnessed these bizarre things they

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can't explain they're outside of their

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reality oh absolutely and I mean again I

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was only a kid but I knew I mean and I

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was no aviation expert but I knew that

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whatever the thing was it should have

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been making some sort of noise if this

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was like a vehicle of some sort or a

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blimp or even a balloon like this thing

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hovered stopped hovered stopped and then

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went over the water so it was it was a

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fear of the unknown I think that that

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really stuck with me hmm

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yeah but yeah I know Jason you've had a

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few experiences so I would love if you

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wouldn't mind sharing some of those with

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the audience as well sure the most

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exciting one I think probably has to be

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the Phoenix lights and many of you are

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probably familiar with the Phoenix

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lights but just a quick overview the

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Phoenix lights occurred over the state

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of Arizona and some metering states too

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in March of 1997 this was a mass UFO

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sighting seen by thousands of people

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across the state as with any UFO

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sighting and specifically a mass UFO

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sighting you have varying stories from

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all these witnesses that's how witness

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testimony works but essentially a large

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craft was seen traversing the entire

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state by lots of people there was also a

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series of about seven lights seeing just

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stationary in the sky and they were also

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reportedly military flares dropped that

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night at a different time that doesn't

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coincide with the mass sighting that

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occurred what I witnessed that night was

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a series of seven stationary lights in

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the sky and although that doesn't sound

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all that exciting especially for

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somebody like me now looking back on it

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somebody who's spent more than a decade

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researching and writing about UFO

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and really looking into strange things

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in the sky and not so strange things in

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the sky to learn what is up there what

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isn't up there and what things should

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look like in the sky if I were to see

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those things that night was really

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bizarre for me so I grew up in rural

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Arizona on the far west side of the

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Phoenix metro area nothing around very

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remote area just out in the desert so on

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and I spent a lot of time outside and

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specifically camping too because there

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was nothing else for me to do a very

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very sad childhood so it's been a lot of

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time outside and I'm just walking around

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our property that night and happened to

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notice this series of seven lights just

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hovering what seemed to be directly

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overhead they weren't moving they

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weren't making any sound

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they weren't altering it all in their

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luminosity or anything they were just

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these solid lights that were there in

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the sky above my head so I watched them

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for a while and I was pretty fascinated

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but I was also a teenager with a short

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attention span so after watching these

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things for a while I got bored and I

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went back inside what came out sometime

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later those lights were still there and

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at some point I my brain started working

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properly and I got the video camera and

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started recording these things these

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lights were what seemed to be over our

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property I mean they were pretty high up

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not that high up but pretty high up but

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they were they were in the sky there for

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what I estimate and again this is 1997 I

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don't remember precisely but I like to

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say about 45 minutes these lights were

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in the sky I was very familiar with

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military flares because I grew up where

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I had line-of-sight to the Barry

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Goldwater test range which is where they

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frequently would drop military flares I

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saw these things all the time and knew

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what military flares look like and saw

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them quite frequently what I saw was not

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military flares what I saw I have no

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idea what could possibly explain what I

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even to this day looking back you know

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with hindsight knowing what I know now

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with all of my investigation and looking

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into UFOs specifically I still cannot

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come up with any logical explanation for

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what I saw that night

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yeah the Phoenix lights is probably one

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of the most famous mass UFO sightings in

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history and what a lot of people don't

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really take into consideration is so

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many people saw this and so many people

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reported it and so many people were

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affected by it and the official title

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for this episode is the power of witness

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testimony and I wanted to ask Jason

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along with some of you later on what

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important witness testimony plays within

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the UFO research that we do you can have

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dates and times of a UFO event you can

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have all the data you want but if you

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don't have a witness telling the story

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of what they saw or experienced we have

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absolutely nothing to work off of

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so how important is that Jason sometimes

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it's really like you said it's all we

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have you know and in the you and I talk

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about this a lot but right now you know

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people want photos and videos of UFOs

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and that's fantastic I would love photos

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and videos of UFOs and we see lots of

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them all the time however we know that

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we live in a time where photos and

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videos can be faked very easily you can

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pull out an app on your phone and create

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a very realistic UFO sighting right out

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the window you know so on one hand as a

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researcher you want the best photo and

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video evidence on the other hand you

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know that only counts for so much it

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contribute its contributing evidence but

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you also know it can be very very very

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faked however with the Phoenix lights

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specifically I'll point out yes you had

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thousands of witnesses and that's you

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think about that you're all oh that's

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cool thousands of people saw these

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lights in the sky or saw it saw a craft

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moving across the state that's cool but

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then you take it further and you talk

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about the governor of the state at that

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time you bring the government into it

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and at the time yes people when people

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think about this they think about how he

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publicly sort of ridiculed it on TV he

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held a press

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francy brought out his staffer in an

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alien costume and said we found the

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culprit responsible and sort of made a

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joke out of it said this just shows you

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people are taking it way too seriously

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Oh chill out later he went on the record

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and said he did that because people are

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freaking out he wanted to calm the

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public but the biggest thing and again

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this comes to witness testimony and the

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power of witness testimony when you

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bring the government into it this was

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the governor of the state of Arizona and

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he went on CNN and later some

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documentaries to to state that he too

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saw the Phoenix lights that night he was

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bewildered by them he had been an Air

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Force pilot and knew what things look

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like in the sky he actively tried to get

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answers from the military about what

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happened that night they wouldn't give

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him any information it wasn't until I

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think more than a year later when they

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came out and said oh yeah by the way

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that was us we dropped flares but their

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explanation they gave didn't even align

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with the time when the incident happened

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but this was the governor of the state

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trying to get answers from the air force

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base in in Arizona

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he couldn't get answers at all and he

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also says that not only was he witnessed

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that night but what he saw was not of

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this earth that's the governor of the

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state of Arizona going on record making

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that claim so yes it's powerful when you

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have thousands of people you know when

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you talk about it or read about it

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that's just you know number on the paper

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when you're reading a story or all oh

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yeah thousands of people that's cool but

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then when you bring in somebody in a

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governmental public service position

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like the governor of a state also saying

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yeah I saw two and it wasn't from this

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planet yeah that's powerful it's very

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powerful and I think what's also really

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interesting is we both work with a

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colleague named Cheryl Costa who wrote a

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desk reference book that's literally

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like this thick and it goes from oming

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oh maybe like two decades of UFO reports

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throughout the United States

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it goes by I think count from like state

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all the way down to County of reported

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UFO events in a certain area and it's

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amazing to see these graphs and charts

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of all this data that

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she's brought forward but it also helps

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us as UFO researchers to find these

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areas these hot beds as we call them of

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where all these reports are coming from

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so if you have an area in you know

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somewhere in California where there's

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been seven hundred reports versus

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somewhere else in the country that had

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two reports we're gonna go to that area

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because clearly there's activity going

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on there that a lot of people are seeing

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and we're going to interview the people

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who saw these things and get their

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stories so I think while data and all

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that is very important it's mixing that

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with the story and trying to find

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patterns that that really brings

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ethology to life you have the people who

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work with witnesses and then you have

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the people who record the data and I

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love UFO data so much so Cheryl's work

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is is awesome it's nice to have that

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data to point to but you know coming

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back to you to witness testimony I love

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seeing that being a huge emphasis in the

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History Channel's news show unidentified

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they really focus on witness testimony

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and specifically the witness testimony

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of Navy fighter pilots and and Navy

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service members aboard ships who are

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operating radar systems and you know

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hearing from service members about UFO

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encounters that's also very powerful

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absolutely I mean I'm gonna be talking

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to one of the Navy radar operators that

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was a part of the Nimitz encounter later

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this week and already after a phone

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interview with him he told me flat out

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like this changed my life it really did

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I was there to do my job I fell into a

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UFO event and it's changed every aspect

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of my life since then so so again about

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the power of witness testimony you talk

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a lot to witnesses people who claim to

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have seen lights in the sky all the way

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to having a you know encounter

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experiences abduction experiences things

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like that and in your case you know I

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know you've read like emails they've

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written or or read about their stories

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ahead of time but how different is it

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for you when you actually meet the

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person face to face and hear that story

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from their mouth

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it's a hell

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a lot different I mean I get emails on a

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daily basis of people saying they saw

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something or they experience something

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you know in the email is literally like

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20 pages long and I would love to answer

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every email back and be like yeah I'm

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gonna look into your case but it's

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daunting they can be very daunting when

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you get these sort of correspondence

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because I don't know what the hell they

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saw I can try to help them along the way

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but for me it did come down to when I

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decided as a quote-unquote UFO

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journalist that I was going to go out

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and meet these people having these

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experiences and I remember the first

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person I met face-to-face I was in

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Arizona and I was in a diner and I was

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with her and her husband and she was

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recalling to me for the very first time

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she told anyone about this other than

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her husband in experience she had as a

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child with what she believes to have

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been some sort of non-human entity and

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it traumatized her it really did and I

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just remember sitting across from her

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and her husband and she started crying

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and she was holding her husband's hand

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and she was like squeezing his hand so

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hard she was leaving like permanent

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indents in his skin and I was just

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watching all these little things in

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descriptors as she was telling me this

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story and that really impacted me it was

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the first time I separated like reading

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something on my computer to meeting this

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person and hearing their story and

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seeing how it affected her and seeing

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her husband there with her supporting

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her through this and being like you got

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this you got this and the fact that I

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was the first person she ever told this

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to and she told me that she trusted me

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with her story that's a big

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responsibility

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because if I'm going to go on the record

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with this story whether it's in a book

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form or if she allowed me or gave me

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permission to talk about it on a podcast

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and uses her name there's no turning

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back from there she has kids she has

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family she has a community she lives in

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everyone is going to

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about this now so that really struck me

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- is it's not easy for people to come

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forward and talk about these things that

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you hear at a lien con it is so easy for

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some people but not for most people and

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I don't think a lot of people really

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take into consideration what happens

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after you come out with that like you

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look at Travis Walton the fire in the

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sky alien abduction case or anyone who

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claims to have been abducted by aliens

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maybe maybe it's a cool story to tell

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but after that like everyone's going to

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judge you after that so you really have

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to think about like the conviction you

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have coming forward why you're coming

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forward and for a lot of people it's

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just closure just telling somebody they

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don't want you to judge them I don't

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judge anyone I speak to I think every

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story has some sort of value when it

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comes to our investigations and it's not

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easy it never gets easier right and on

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Sunday when we do our recording of the

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unknown podcast will specifically be

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talking about that ridicule factor that

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you mentioned and just the stigma that

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still surrounds the UFO topic and

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speaking specifically about witness

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testimony now think about all the

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stories that we don't hear because of

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that ridicule factor of people not

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feeling comfortable to share those

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stories yeah I mean we know one of our

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heroes the late Stanton Friedman a

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nuclear physicist who studied UFOs his

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entire career he used to go on the

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lecture circuit he's he's lectured in

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every continent country you can think of

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every one of his lectures he starts with

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them how many people in the audience

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have seen a UFO and like 95% of the

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people would raise their hand if they

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saw something and then he would ask how

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many people reported it and maybe two

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hands would go up so that's 95% or

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somewhat people who aren't willing to

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come forward and report what they saw

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well I love using myself as an example

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too because like I think I've seen

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probably probably about 12 UFOs at this

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point

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I'm in this field this is what I do how

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many of those twelve have I ever

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reported so I mean yeah it just shows

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you there's so many out there that

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aren't aren't reported aren't discussed

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at all mmm

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well and another thing too is a lot of

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people ask us you know skeptics or

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people who just want answers Alaska's

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all these people are having UFO

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sightings or claimed abduction

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experiences or Close Encounters why is

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no one taking photos of this like where

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where's the evidence where's the

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evidence and honestly like we don't have

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an answer for that there should be more

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photos out there of these things

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happening but at the end of the day I

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don't know about you but when I was 12

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years old and I was staring up at

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whatever the hell that thing was in the

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sky that I saw I wasn't thinking about

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going and getting a camera or taking

547
00:22:56,729 --> 00:22:52,749
photos these things are very very

548
00:22:59,969 --> 00:22:56,739
personal and for me I was alone on that

549
00:23:01,950 --> 00:22:59,979
dock and this was happening just for me

550
00:23:04,379 --> 00:23:01,960
and I wanted to experience that

551
00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:04,389
besides being scared shitless I wanted

552
00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:06,190
to experience that myself and I you

553
00:23:11,369 --> 00:23:08,440
don't think about like oh I need to

554
00:23:13,529 --> 00:23:11,379
document this to bring it to - somebody

555
00:23:15,269 --> 00:23:13,539
tells right dad yeah and I feel I have

556
00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:15,279
to go back to the Phoenix lights because

557
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:16,839
I did mention that I recorded it on

558
00:23:21,629 --> 00:23:19,570
video but I then have to say that I

559
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:21,639
think that was recorded over by one of

560
00:23:27,389 --> 00:23:24,580
my brother's soccer game so yeah that

561
00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:27,399
video doesn't exist well you know you

562
00:23:31,889 --> 00:23:29,769
point about photo and video there's

563
00:23:33,959 --> 00:23:31,899
certainly a lot lots and lots and lots

564
00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:33,969
of photo and video we know that and in

565
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:35,950
fact when we come to events like this

566
00:23:40,229 --> 00:23:37,570
lots of people share their photos and

567
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:40,239
videos with us and we see you know

568
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:42,369
hundreds of these photos and videos

569
00:23:47,729 --> 00:23:43,809
shared with us throughout the years or

570
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:47,739
throughout the year but that really I

571
00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:50,169
think emphasizes the point of this

572
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:51,969
episode and that is the power of witness

573
00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:53,769
testimony right because again it comes

574
00:23:58,859 --> 00:23:56,769
back to you yeah a photo can be really

575
00:24:01,169 --> 00:23:58,869
fascinating it can look cool it can look

576
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:01,179
you know very clear it can look bizarre

577
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:04,089
whatever but it's still a photo or video

578
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:09,129
and they can be manipulated they can be

579
00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:10,840
faked that can be hoaxed

580
00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:12,790
doesn't mean that they are they also can

581
00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:14,440
be just missed identifications

582
00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:16,150
but really it's still just a photo or

583
00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:18,340
video I think when it comes down to it

584
00:24:23,490 --> 00:24:21,580
witness testimony to me is a lot more

585
00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:23,500
valuable than a photo or video I think

586
00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:25,780
so but we also have to play devil's

587
00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:28,750
advocate too and remember that a lot of

588
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:30,430
these events happen to people 20 30

589
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:34,210
years exactly memory is not perfect and

590
00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:37,690
I know for me there are very specific

591
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:39,220
things I remember about that night and

592
00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:41,890
things I don't remember at all I don't

593
00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:43,990
know when you saw the Phoenix lights I

594
00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:46,390
mean for you was it as clear as day

595
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:48,280
could you say how high this thing was

596
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:50,050
how big it was absolutely not

597
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:52,570
yeah absolutely not I mean it was a

598
00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:55,090
tremendous event in my life for sure I

599
00:24:59,730 --> 00:24:56,980
remember I remember how you know

600
00:25:01,860 --> 00:24:59,740
fascinated I was how exciting it was how

601
00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:01,870
just bewildered I was what I was seeing

602
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,260
but I always try to preface it when I

603
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:07,600
tell that story that we're talking about

604
00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:10,330
something that happened in 1997 I'm not

605
00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:12,430
going to pretend that I know that I

606
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:14,200
remember every little detail

607
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:16,570
I don't even clearly remember seeing

608
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:18,790
seven lights just after telling the

609
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:20,290
story so many times and thinking back

610
00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:23,170
that that's what I see in my mind but

611
00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:24,520
could it have been more could it have

612
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:25,720
been less absolutely

613
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:27,540
I'm not going to state with certainty

614
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,040
you know the details that happen I'm

615
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:31,600
going to say I'm pretty sure this

616
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:33,250
happened where this is how I remember it

617
00:25:37,230 --> 00:25:36,070
but I know how fallible memory is so you

618
00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:37,240
have to keep that in mind with these

619
00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:38,980
cases that you know you're talking about

620
00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:40,780
things that happen so long ago I mean I

621
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:43,180
know we went in and got a drink last

622
00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:44,260
night and had dinner I don't remember

623
00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:49,030
what I got for dinner so I remember fine

624
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:50,800
details for something that happened back

625
00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:53,320
in 1997 yeah yeah it's fascinating and I

626
00:25:56,910 --> 00:25:55,150
think it really brings a human element

627
00:26:00,480 --> 00:25:56,920
to all this as well as perception I

628
00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:00,490
spoke to a woman in Michigan who had a

629
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,920
triangular UFO sighting over her house

630
00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:05,440
and she went out to walk her dogs dogs

631
00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:07,180
would not go off the porch that night

632
00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:08,740
they'd never done anything like that

633
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:09,280
before

634
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:11,260
clearly she thought there was something

635
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:14,230
out there so she walks down into the

636
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:15,850
lawn she's looking around there's

637
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:17,770
nothing the dog still won't leave the

638
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:21,520
porch and they start barking and they're

639
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:23,650
barking like up like bark

640
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,160
upward so she looks up and she sees this

641
00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:29,200
massive triangular thing over her house

642
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:32,500
and she's just staring up at it and then

643
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:34,930
she screams for her daughter to come out

644
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:36,490
and look at this thing with her like am

645
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:38,260
I crazy are you seeing this

646
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:40,510
her daughter comes out they're both now

647
00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:44,050
staring up at this triangle and the mom

648
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:47,380
is telling her daughter like oh my god

649
00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:50,410
it's so silent it's beautiful like do

650
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:51,880
you feel that I like I almost feel

651
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:53,770
euphoric if she looks over at her

652
00:26:57,630 --> 00:26:55,690
daughter and her daughter's covering her

653
00:27:00,990 --> 00:26:57,640
ears and be like I can't hear you it's

654
00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:01,000
so loud and her daughter felt like

655
00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:02,560
immediate threat from whatever was up

656
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:05,020
there so perception plays a key role too

657
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:07,210
I think these people these mother and

658
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:08,380
daughter they were looking at the same

659
00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:10,390
exact thing but having completely

660
00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:12,550
different experiences in that moment and

661
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:15,550
that really fascinated me you mentioned

662
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:18,730
dogs and I've got to say man like

663
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:19,930
witness testimony

664
00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:22,510
one day when we can actually talk to

665
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:25,390
dogs I want to talk to talks about UFOs

666
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:27,130
because there are so many UFO sightings

667
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:28,210
stories

668
00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:30,700
did involve dogs you know people were

669
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:32,590
alerted by their dogs about something in

670
00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:35,770
the sky or they actually are the reason

671
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:37,390
for a lot of sightings too because a lot

672
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,890
of sightings reported or people when

673
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:40,480
they're all walking their dogs you know

674
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:41,530
that's when you're out looking at the

675
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:44,410
sky so I think dogs have a lot to say it

676
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:48,190
like safe dogs want to talk to dog well

677
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:51,130
I want to maybe talk to any of you guys

678
00:27:55,290 --> 00:27:53,830
out there we're sort of on the second

679
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:55,300
half here and we did want to open it

680
00:28:00,240 --> 00:27:57,910
open it up to anyone if you feel

681
00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:00,250
comfortable sharing something with us up

682
00:28:05,010 --> 00:28:03,220
here whether it's like a UFO sighting

683
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:05,020
please feel free to come up to the mic

684
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:07,450
otherwise we'll just we'll keep we'll

685
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:10,150
keep talking but yeah yeah you're in a

686
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,760
safe place and no one's here to judge

687
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:14,830
you so yeah if you'd like please feel

688
00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:16,450
free to come up yeah you come up to the

689
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:17,950
microphone and form a line if somebody's

690
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:21,100
there and we'll we'll get to you I want

691
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:23,260
to mention that I brought up on Sunday

692
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:24,670
how we're going to be doing a live

693
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:26,800
recording of another UFO podcast called

694
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,490
unknown and focusing on the ridicule

695
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:32,320
factor and how people are uncomfortable

696
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:34,630
sharing their stories and during that

697
00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:35,920
recording I'm going

698
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:38,500
- for the first time play a recording

699
00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:42,670
that I have of a college professor at

700
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:44,920
one of the largest public universities

701
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:47,980
in the country who I happen to be doing

702
00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:49,750
an interview with on something totally

703
00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:53,260
not related to UFOs and he happened to

704
00:28:59,790 --> 00:28:57,160
see my book I wrote a book about UFOs

705
00:29:01,200 --> 00:28:59,800
and that book was was on my desk he

706
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:01,210
happened to notice it out of the corner

707
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:04,210
of his eye and he had to ask me about it

708
00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:07,090
he said so I see that book what is that

709
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:08,740
and I explained to him that you know

710
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:10,420
this is something I've done for more

711
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:12,700
than a decade and wrote a book on it but

712
00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:15,450
on TV talk about UFOs all the time and

713
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:18,940
when he had that little intro he knew

714
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,610
the gate was open and he just chimed in

715
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:23,520
well I've seen the UFO

716
00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:27,340
oh that's great and so he started

717
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,740
telling me his story and I had because I

718
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:31,600
had him set up for an interview I was

719
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:33,730
recording the whole time and it was a

720
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:36,790
fascinating fascinating sighting that I

721
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:37,810
can't wait for you to hear because you

722
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:39,910
haven't heard this either and it's a

723
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:43,000
fascinating story from a college

724
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:45,640
professor and after and when I

725
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,350
remembered that I'd been recorded this

726
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,880
recording this whole thing and I wanted

727
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:51,250
to use that on the podcast I asked him

728
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,070
if it was ok if I use that in my podcast

729
00:29:58,860 --> 00:29:56,590
and he thought about it for a bit and he

730
00:30:01,950 --> 00:29:58,870
said yes

731
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:01,960
that'll be fine but don't use my name

732
00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:04,840
yeah don't say where I work yeah because

733
00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:07,420
he didn't want people being able to

734
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:08,920
figure out that it was him telling this

735
00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:12,370
story and this is he's actually retired

736
00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:16,180
now so an emeritus professor at a major

737
00:30:21,030 --> 00:30:18,400
university what does he care you know

738
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:21,040
his career is essentially over he's

739
00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:23,830
retired and you know certainly tenured

740
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:25,480
faculty they're not worried all that

741
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:27,490
much about their jobs they can kind of

742
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:28,570
do their own research talk about

743
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:30,100
whatever they want and they have that

744
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,770
protection but still to this day and

745
00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:33,760
this is something that happened back in

746
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:37,180
the 70s I think he still had never told

747
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:39,580
anybody about it and didn't want his

748
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:46,499
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749
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772
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so you know the ridicule factor is

773
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,639
strong and people still fill that and

774
00:32:08,379 --> 00:32:06,320
fill the hesitation when sharing that

775
00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:08,389
story and certainly publicly it's not

776
00:32:14,049 --> 00:32:11,149
easy I can't tell you like how many

777
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:14,059
second dates I lost in my time bringing

778
00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:17,210
up UFOs or that I studied this sort of

779
00:32:22,299 --> 00:32:18,679
thing but that's another amazing thing

780
00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:22,309
about alien con is because this is like

781
00:32:26,919 --> 00:32:24,919
a perfect environment for talking about

782
00:32:29,169 --> 00:32:26,929
these topics like nothing is weird or

783
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,179
off-limits here like you're among like

784
00:32:34,029 --> 00:32:32,240
fellow weirdos in the best way like this

785
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:34,039
stuff is not weird this is our life and

786
00:32:37,239 --> 00:32:35,450
we love talking about it and sharing

787
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,249
stories and that's the best thing for me

788
00:32:41,139 --> 00:32:39,440
about this entire weekend is just having

789
00:32:44,019 --> 00:32:41,149
that ability to talk to people and

790
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,029
listen to people because a lot of people

791
00:32:47,859 --> 00:32:46,399
I know who come to this event they've

792
00:32:49,779 --> 00:32:47,869
never talked about this subject before

793
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,789
or they don't have anybody in their

794
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:51,919
personal lives who they can talk about

795
00:32:55,899 --> 00:32:53,929
this stuff with so this is just

796
00:33:03,369 --> 00:32:55,909
fantastic weekend for that I love it

797
00:33:10,509 --> 00:33:06,690
if you want you don't have any I'm Jane

798
00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:10,519
I I think I might have mentioned his

799
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:12,440
story to some people before but it's

800
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:15,350
kind of mysterious to me because it

801
00:33:21,789 --> 00:33:19,159
doesn't quite fit that mold as I saw you

802
00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:21,799
know one thing in the sky but I mean it

803
00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:26,840
feels unidentified in the sky didn't uh

804
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:30,820
when I was much younger I remember

805
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:33,679
waking up in the middle of the night for

806
00:33:39,639 --> 00:33:37,039
no apparent reason and I was thinking my

807
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:39,649
early teens so I have no reason to be

808
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:42,289
waking up her insomnia or anything but I

809
00:33:47,169 --> 00:33:43,850
woke up in the middle of tonight it was

810
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:47,179
maybe 3 a.m. and I remember going to my

811
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:50,990
window again don't have any reason why

812
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:52,730
it was just this kind of thing that I

813
00:33:56,590 --> 00:33:55,129
was doing almost on autopilot but I

814
00:33:59,529 --> 00:33:56,600
remember going to my window and looking

815
00:34:02,480 --> 00:33:59,539
out and there was there was a road below

816
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:02,490
and absolutely nothing was going

817
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:06,900
is totally quiet um and then after

818
00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:09,510
looking out the window for a split

819
00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:12,600
second the entire sky that I could see

820
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:16,590
went red and it was the kind of red that

821
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:19,500
would see if a car it puts on the brake

822
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:22,679
lights that red is sort of glowing red

823
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:26,639
but there was the entire sky and I I

824
00:34:33,859 --> 00:34:31,679
remember looking at it going huh I

825
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:33,869
thought it was pulling out but it just

826
00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:36,270
it the whole style sort of stains that

827
00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:40,700
color and it stayed that way for about

828
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:43,830
enough that I was kind of processing

829
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:45,810
every sort of thing it could be and they

830
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:49,040
kind of just staring baffles and then

831
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:52,800
you know without any sort of fanfare it

832
00:35:00,700 --> 00:34:57,450
just and it's something I think about

833
00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:00,710
some time to time because if there's no

834
00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:03,270
good ending to that story it was just

835
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:05,620
this weird phenomenon that have

836
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:10,430
never happened together yeah yeah every

837
00:35:15,010 --> 00:35:12,230
stray that's a really good point there's

838
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:15,020
no end to the story there never is like

839
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:17,570
tons of yeah usually uh yeah like these

840
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:20,300
things happen there's no explanation and

841
00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:23,210
you search for answers to it for the

842
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,430
rest of your life racially which is

843
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:27,680
frustrating in some aspects is in

844
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,480
frustration lots of head-scratching a

845
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:31,760
lot of head-scratching yeah in like when

846
00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:33,620
people come to me to tell me their story

847
00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:36,200
I try to tell them I'm not gonna solve

848
00:35:40,090 --> 00:35:37,940
this mystery for you but I'm gonna

849
00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:40,100
listen I'm gonna ask you some questions

850
00:35:45,550 --> 00:35:41,870
and let's just talk about it because

851
00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:45,560
we're not experts we're you know we are

852
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,980
UFO researchers but we're in no way UFO

853
00:35:54,970 --> 00:35:51,440
experts we don't know what is going on

854
00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:54,980
out there we we try to bring theories

855
00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:57,320
forward we try to bring testimony

856
00:36:01,300 --> 00:35:59,330
forward but yeah at the end of the day

857
00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:01,310
like no one no one knows what's really

858
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:04,670
going on so whatever that was whatever

859
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:08,450
phenomena like happened that night you

860
00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:10,310
might be asking yourself what it is for

861
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:11,740
the rest of your life

862
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:15,230
sorry that's frustrating thank you for

863
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:16,310
sharing Jane appreciative

864
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:17,900
so another thing with the witness

865
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:20,660
testimony the power of that and how that

866
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:22,820
helps with UFO research and

867
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,270
investigations is we have that testimony

868
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:28,160
and that brings in the data that you

869
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:30,070
mentioned you know looking at

870
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:31,880
commonalities between sightings

871
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:34,810
different shapes and behaviors in

872
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:37,850
knowing those commonly reported shapes

873
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:39,530
and behaviors of these objects in the

874
00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:42,860
sky really help investigators when

875
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:44,920
they're talking to witnesses or

876
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,780
investigating particular incidents

877
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:50,960
because they have these sort of boxes

878
00:36:54,610 --> 00:36:52,270
they can go through and check and

879
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,620
categorize these things to help us

880
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,200
better keep track of those objects and

881
00:37:02,370 --> 00:36:59,200
it's interesting if you've been watching

882
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:02,380
unidentified on the History Channel or

883
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:04,850
reading really any mainstream media

884
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,250
outlet the past year and a half you know

885
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:09,680
one of the big stories right now is the

886
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:11,900
tick-tack UFO and I think because it's

887
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:14,630
just such a silly thing to say Tic Tacs

888
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:16,250
so I think the media likes to use that

889
00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:17,870
even though most of the time they'll

890
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:19,820
the gimbal video and set a tic-tac yeah

891
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:21,650
because the Kimble video is more

892
00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:22,970
exciting because you have the pilots go

893
00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:25,400
whoa dude what is that likely visit yeah

894
00:37:29,230 --> 00:37:28,280
that's fun but it's usually the gimbal

895
00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:29,240
video with a tic-tac

896
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,580
but tic-tac you know that's a

897
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:34,400
description of the shape of a UFO and

898
00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:37,430
it's relatively new thanks to that video

899
00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:42,680
but those long elongated UFOs you know

900
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:44,750
I've gone by by many names over the

901
00:37:49,210 --> 00:37:46,520
years you know for the longest time we

902
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:49,220
heard a lot about cigar-shaped UFOs what

903
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:51,290
we have you know rectangle UFOs and

904
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:52,550
different things like that

905
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,010
so it's good to you know sort of come up

906
00:37:59,380 --> 00:37:56,720
with a standard and that's I think a

907
00:38:02,050 --> 00:37:59,390
challenge that investigators have trying

908
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:02,060
to determine if when somebody says a

909
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:03,890
tic-tac is that the same thing as a

910
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:07,160
cigar right you know and certainly one

911
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:08,240
makes your breath smell better than

912
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:11,330
others right yeah but you know you've

913
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:12,560
got these things trying to make

914
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:14,450
investigation easier and make that data

915
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:17,030
more consistent and it's challenging

916
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:19,010
because those UFO descriptions have

917
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:21,380
changed over the years when perhaps the

918
00:38:26,830 --> 00:38:23,330
UFOs might not have you know necessarily

919
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:26,840
I as a UFO journalist I always loved

920
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:30,830
especially reading accounts from the UK

921
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:32,780
and hearing some of the things they

922
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:35,660
would describe their their UFOs UFOs as

923
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:38,660
they had a remember the the Dudley

924
00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:39,110
Dorito

925
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,600
you know this triangle shaped UFO that

926
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:43,520
is regularly seen over there they called

927
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,490
it a Dorito mm-hmm shaped like a Dorito

928
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:48,800
we're also hamburger shaped UFOs that

929
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:50,390
was one of my favorites but there have

930
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,970
been some interesting descriptions for

931
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:54,800
UFO shapes over the years and we get

932
00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:56,690
that from witness testimony yeah yeah

933
00:39:01,480 --> 00:38:59,330
it's no longer just saucers like people

934
00:39:01,930 --> 00:39:01,490
are seeing just the weirdest things out

935
00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:01,940
there

936
00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:07,190
how's it going I think it was about

937
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:08,120
three

938
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:10,820
years ago let me just preface it

939
00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:12,380
definitely you know I was always

940
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:16,430
interested in healing I think I was just

941
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:18,260
regular fascinated like same chemist

942
00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:23,770
sci-fi herself I was about three four

943
00:39:29,470 --> 00:39:27,080
summers ago it was the weekend right

944
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:29,480
before fourth of July cycle on the

945
00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:31,310
channel village whichever day fourth of

946
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:35,540
July on Monday was that summer I live in

947
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:37,820
Los Angeles just outside of just like in

948
00:39:46,420 --> 00:39:42,560
East LA it was a Saturday afternoon so I

949
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:46,430
had to run some errands it was it was

950
00:39:50,740 --> 00:39:48,740
midday it was around noon so our number

951
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:50,750
one I jumped in my car because I saw

952
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:52,700
something on the freeway there was

953
00:39:58,690 --> 00:39:55,310
around 12:15 right in the middle of day

954
00:40:01,000 --> 00:39:58,700
it was really sunny my mind wasn't on

955
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:01,010
seeing anything in the sky and I wasn't

956
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:04,610
anything out of the ordinary I was just

957
00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:07,340
interested to do my errands and to come

958
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:09,980
to come back home so I jump on the

959
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:11,570
freeway and I'm not sure if anybody back

960
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:15,020
here is familiar but I live in El Sereno

961
00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:17,930
so I took the ten out of ten East so I'm

962
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:21,220
traveling past Alhambra one toward like

963
00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:25,520
in that area so once I jumped on the

964
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:27,800
freeway there was some traffic which I

965
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:31,610
usually anticipated I Drive a sports car

966
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:33,650
so I'm kind of like my routine goes on

967
00:40:36,819 --> 00:40:35,990
the event fast lane outrun everybody

968
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:36,829
again

969
00:40:43,209 --> 00:40:39,680
trying to come home and quit so I do

970
00:40:45,069 --> 00:40:43,219
that I have about a quarter of a mile

971
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,079
before I notice because there's a

972
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:46,640
straightaway at that point of the Tempe

973
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:48,890
way if there's a bright light kind of

974
00:40:51,789 --> 00:40:50,450
like shining toward me so you know I

975
00:40:57,099 --> 00:40:51,799
didn't think anything again I'm looking

976
00:40:58,809 --> 00:40:57,109
at the traffic I'm approaching the light

977
00:41:00,849 --> 00:40:58,819
I'm kind of driving toward it so that

978
00:41:02,289 --> 00:41:00,859
was weird so I'm thinking well you know

979
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:02,299
there's a trans sorry

980
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:04,430
maybe there's a train coming I don't

981
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:07,130
know what so again I'm kind of driving a

982
00:41:10,989 --> 00:41:09,529
little bit quickly so I'm approaching

983
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:10,999
the light and I realize that the light's

984
00:41:17,469 --> 00:41:13,190
not traveling away it's actually

985
00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:17,479
stationary and I'm approaching it so as

986
00:41:20,949 --> 00:41:19,160
I got closer that's when it started to

987
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:20,959
get really really confusing because all

988
00:41:25,089 --> 00:41:22,729
the cars around me it seemed I think

989
00:41:26,739 --> 00:41:25,099
they had to see it as well because I

990
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:26,749
found myself that I was the only one

991
00:41:30,849 --> 00:41:28,910
that was I think everybody started to

992
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,859
break at this point when I was

993
00:41:35,229 --> 00:41:33,410
approaching I let my foot off the gas so

994
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:35,239
I was letting the car momentum so I must

995
00:41:39,219 --> 00:41:37,160
have been going maybe about 40 miles an

996
00:41:42,729 --> 00:41:39,229
hour so when I was approaching what I

997
00:41:44,410 --> 00:41:42,739
saw I was alone everybody else was about

998
00:41:46,569 --> 00:41:44,420
maybe about at least a hundred feet

999
00:41:49,779 --> 00:41:46,579
behind me maybe more because I think

1000
00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:49,789
they were also alarmed also so in

1001
00:41:53,019 --> 00:41:51,380
essence what I'm saying is that I saw a

1002
00:41:55,209 --> 00:41:53,029
light on the freeway in broad daylight

1003
00:41:57,309 --> 00:41:55,219
during the summer time and as I

1004
00:42:00,039 --> 00:41:57,319
approached it I saw a light at least a

1005
00:42:03,099 --> 00:42:00,049
mile away so it was a bright almost LED

1006
00:42:04,509 --> 00:42:03,109
white color so as I approached our

1007
00:42:07,269 --> 00:42:04,519
started to see a shape of what was

1008
00:42:09,579 --> 00:42:07,279
giving off this light and it was kind of

1009
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,589
scary at first because I didn't know

1010
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:11,599
what it was I wasn't expecting anything

1011
00:42:16,479 --> 00:42:14,089
I was like well is this a helicopter is

1012
00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:16,489
it a train is it a car they got turned

1013
00:42:19,989 --> 00:42:18,440
around on you know my mind is going a

1014
00:42:22,229 --> 00:42:19,999
little quickly am i look at the speed do

1015
00:42:25,479 --> 00:42:22,239
I have to you know swerve out of the way

1016
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:25,489
no it was it was just there so as I

1017
00:42:31,029 --> 00:42:27,529
approached what I what I could describe

1018
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:31,039
was it was this it was spherical so it

1019
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:33,769
was circular it was the size of like

1020
00:42:38,589 --> 00:42:35,690
let's say an NBA regulation basketball

1021
00:42:41,469 --> 00:42:38,599
so it wasn't that big it was silver in

1022
00:42:44,349 --> 00:42:41,479
color there were no dents I didn't see

1023
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:44,359
any rivets I didn't see any it so it

1024
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:46,130
looked smooth like my ball bearing

1025
00:42:51,279 --> 00:42:49,249
except as I was approaching it the face

1026
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:51,289
of this ball bearing was flat and that's

1027
00:42:56,859 --> 00:42:54,529
what was admitting this light now just

1028
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,869
given what I was professionally doing at

1029
00:43:00,449 --> 00:42:58,400
the time I had some experience with

1030
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:00,459
lightbulbs hundred watt lightbulbs

1031
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,380
things of that nature so that also kind

1032
00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:05,119
of caught my attention because I've been

1033
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:07,219
around light large wattage bulbs and

1034
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:09,140
whether you have protective goggles or

1035
00:43:13,449 --> 00:43:11,089
not and you could see the outline of a

1036
00:43:15,099 --> 00:43:13,459
bulb or a shape and or it may you know

1037
00:43:18,219 --> 00:43:15,109
kind of have you wince

1038
00:43:20,529 --> 00:43:18,229
that also surprised me as I approached I

1039
00:43:22,299 --> 00:43:20,539
didn't wince away so a light that I

1040
00:43:24,609 --> 00:43:22,309
could see a mile away in broad daylight

1041
00:43:27,249 --> 00:43:24,619
as I got closer I didn't have to look

1042
00:43:28,989 --> 00:43:27,259
away it didn't hurt me so again I tried

1043
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:28,999
to get as many details as I could as the

1044
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:31,130
momentum of the car was passing I'm

1045
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:32,420
looking at this thing so I could see

1046
00:43:38,049 --> 00:43:36,079
this the size how smooth it was another

1047
00:43:40,479 --> 00:43:38,059
thing that really well two things that

1048
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:40,489
really also as I was approaching I'm

1049
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:43,339
like this isn't normal how low it was on

1050
00:43:47,289 --> 00:43:45,170
the freeway you know I Drive I Drive a

1051
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:47,299
Dodge Challenger so it's kind of like a

1052
00:43:51,279 --> 00:43:49,640
low car this object was floating in the

1053
00:43:53,469 --> 00:43:51,289
freeway so low that if it was like an

1054
00:43:54,579 --> 00:43:53,479
18-wheeler 18-wheeler it would have hit

1055
00:43:56,289 --> 00:43:54,589
the windshield mmm

1056
00:43:58,809 --> 00:43:56,299
so again I was like well that's if this

1057
00:44:02,289 --> 00:43:58,819
is a drone that's really on the freeway

1058
00:44:04,569 --> 00:44:02,299
really low and also the movement it kind

1059
00:44:07,089 --> 00:44:04,579
of moved like uh like a like a birthday

1060
00:44:09,849 --> 00:44:07,099
balloon that's tethered to a chair and

1061
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:09,859
if somebody walks by so basically it was

1062
00:44:14,349 --> 00:44:11,630
kind of just like it was like moving

1063
00:44:16,809 --> 00:44:14,359
like this very slowly and you know if

1064
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:16,819
their cars were going it it seemed

1065
00:44:22,689 --> 00:44:19,940
unaffected so as I drove underneath it I

1066
00:44:24,130 --> 00:44:22,699
have like a sunroof so I hit the light I

1067
00:44:25,779 --> 00:44:24,140
hit the through the sunroof so I could

1068
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,789
look underneath to see if I could see

1069
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:28,400
fans or vapor or anything and there was

1070
00:44:32,109 --> 00:44:30,650
nothing so it was really strange so as

1071
00:44:34,029 --> 00:44:32,119
soon as I saw that I immediately thought

1072
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:34,039
like this is really you know something

1073
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:35,690
I've never really seen before I really

1074
00:44:39,549 --> 00:44:37,609
wasn't sure if it's something I should

1075
00:44:41,739 --> 00:44:39,559
pull over investigate and things like

1076
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:41,749
that so when it occurred I was my

1077
00:44:45,579 --> 00:44:43,849
immediate reaction was I've never seen

1078
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,589
anything like this

1079
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:47,880
the size and how it moved

1080
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:50,130
and all that I was like this if it was

1081
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:52,470
somebody's possession like their drone I

1082
00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:54,270
would describe it that it looked really

1083
00:44:59,180 --> 00:44:57,030
really expensive and it looked really

1084
00:45:00,860 --> 00:44:59,190
really brand-new and because again it

1085
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:00,870
was smooth it wasn't dented it wasn't

1086
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:05,970
discolored it was it looked perfectly so

1087
00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:08,280
afterward when I drove by and I was like

1088
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:09,600
should I pull over should I not so I

1089
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:11,010
continued on the 10 freeway

1090
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:13,800
I finished my my errands which took

1091
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:16,170
about 30 minutes and I remember when I

1092
00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:17,460
got to the store to do my hair and

1093
00:45:21,110 --> 00:45:18,870
that's when it really started to sink in

1094
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:21,120
like this is really strange so then I

1095
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:22,590
was like well should I tell the the

1096
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:24,330
person that works there you know

1097
00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:25,470
whatever I don't want to seem like a

1098
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:28,590
crazy person but yeah it was really

1099
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,970
strange so after that I think for about

1100
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:31,800
a week maybe about a week

1101
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:33,510
I googled to see if anybody else

1102
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:36,270
mentioned drones on the tin a freeway

1103
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:38,310
and alhambra or Monterey Park or

1104
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:41,130
whatever and nothing and still like you

1105
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:43,620
know casually when I watch TV if ever

1106
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,390
that whenever they mentioned drones and

1107
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:47,460
I see like spherical ones they're made

1108
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:50,730
of PVC or really really thin plastic

1109
00:45:54,590 --> 00:45:52,710
it's just that it seemed really weird

1110
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:54,600
that it move like a balloon but it

1111
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,830
looked like if you were to hold it look

1112
00:46:00,320 --> 00:45:57,720
heavy yeah it would be heavy because it

1113
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:00,330
looks looks metallic and metal yeah but

1114
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:02,790
yeah and because of how low it was you

1115
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,790
would have probably noticed if it it it

1116
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,040
was tethered great oh yeah I mean I

1117
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:10,380
drove and I drove underneath it again I

1118
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,640
wanted to see if there was a vapor trail

1119
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:13,680
I wanted to see if there was exhaust fan

1120
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:14,970
I just wanted to see what was actually

1121
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:17,130
you know propping it up or yeah whatever

1122
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:19,110
and it was there was nothing

1123
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:22,920
and also when I drove past it I I didn't

1124
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:24,330
my foot wasn't on the gas I looked in my

1125
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:26,490
rearview mirror just to see what the

1126
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,780
reflection was and it kind of like

1127
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:29,280
blended and I really couldn't see it

1128
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,810
afterward in my roof in there once it

1129
00:46:35,289 --> 00:46:32,700
passed which which again I was like am I

1130
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:35,299
crazy like did I just smile

1131
00:46:40,809 --> 00:46:38,390
yeah dude you're like the perfect

1132
00:46:42,849 --> 00:46:40,819
witness first of all oh you like you

1133
00:46:44,229 --> 00:46:42,859
checked everything off the boxes as it

1134
00:46:46,299 --> 00:46:44,239
was happening which a lot of people

1135
00:46:48,279 --> 00:46:46,309
can't do you know which was weird too I

1136
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:48,289
mean what freaked me out at the time

1137
00:46:52,269 --> 00:46:50,359
again it wasn't that I was beyond

1138
00:46:54,399 --> 00:46:52,279
thinking that the possibility of aliens

1139
00:46:56,289 --> 00:46:54,409
was impossible it's not it it's just

1140
00:46:57,609 --> 00:46:56,299
that it freaked me out because it was so

1141
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:57,619
close to where I live and I live in the

1142
00:47:01,479 --> 00:46:59,089
city so I'm like every time I watch

1143
00:47:04,329 --> 00:47:01,489
these things it's maybe rural parts of

1144
00:47:06,249 --> 00:47:04,339
you know wherever or by the beach or

1145
00:47:08,169 --> 00:47:06,259
something but I'm not close to East oh

1146
00:47:09,819 --> 00:47:08,179
not not off the freeway where I Drive

1147
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:09,829
all the time yeah and not in broad

1148
00:47:15,689 --> 00:47:11,089
daylight yeah

1149
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:15,699
and how low it was so yeah Wow very much

1150
00:47:26,709 --> 00:47:23,039
hello my name is Annette and

1151
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:26,719
it's pleasure to meet you me too you uh

1152
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:32,089
this happened over 30 years ago and I

1153
00:47:41,649 --> 00:47:38,089
was summertime close to dust no son you

1154
00:47:46,929 --> 00:47:41,659
know wasn't bright anything and we were

1155
00:47:49,899 --> 00:47:46,939
leaving my home and as I was getting

1156
00:47:52,899 --> 00:47:49,909
into the car I put about one you know

1157
00:47:55,809 --> 00:47:52,909
when they get into the car like this and

1158
00:47:59,049 --> 00:47:55,819
I just looked over my shoulder over the

1159
00:48:03,249 --> 00:47:59,059
freeway because we lived close to the

1160
00:48:05,379 --> 00:48:03,259
freeway there was seven objects crash

1161
00:48:10,089 --> 00:48:05,389
they weren't objects it was seven craft

1162
00:48:14,709 --> 00:48:10,099
one in the front - behind - behind - her

1163
00:48:21,419 --> 00:48:14,719
and I just did there and looked at it

1164
00:48:24,699 --> 00:48:21,429
and you know do you see this and yeah

1165
00:48:29,439 --> 00:48:24,709
and we didn't say anything we just look

1166
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:29,449
and I got into the car and we started

1167
00:48:38,189 --> 00:48:33,209
driving and the crash started

1168
00:48:41,579 --> 00:48:38,199
and we just drove slowly along and they

1169
00:48:45,749 --> 00:48:41,589
drove slowly along and then they took

1170
00:48:50,759 --> 00:48:45,759
off they managed we didn't talk about it

1171
00:48:53,249 --> 00:48:50,769
yeah that's yeah that's very common I

1172
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:53,259
know a lot of people who were in the

1173
00:48:59,489 --> 00:48:55,619
same car with someone saw something and

1174
00:49:02,219 --> 00:48:59,499
they witnessed it and then it was never

1175
00:49:05,819 --> 00:49:02,229
spoken of again it wasn't just a quick

1176
00:49:08,699 --> 00:49:05,829
flash like this you know just oh no this

1177
00:49:12,269 --> 00:49:08,709
happened and I know what I saw

1178
00:49:12,959 --> 00:49:12,279
yeah yeah and so but and I've talked

1179
00:49:15,569 --> 00:49:12,969
about it

1180
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:15,579
you know sometime over the years later I

1181
00:49:21,299 --> 00:49:17,529
mean at that particular time we didn't

1182
00:49:24,529 --> 00:49:21,309
know do you remember what the objects

1183
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:24,539
look like at all if I could ask are okay

1184
00:49:35,699 --> 00:49:29,890
dark deep dark okay you know how the

1185
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:35,709
still aircraft you need not exactly like

1186
00:49:40,229 --> 00:49:38,049
not like that okay because I don't even

1187
00:49:43,229 --> 00:49:40,239
know if that technology and seven of

1188
00:49:45,989 --> 00:49:43,239
them seven in a v-formation yeah yeah

1189
00:49:48,419 --> 00:49:45,999
yeah no not at and and you know they

1190
00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:48,429
have the sale varmints but they're I

1191
00:49:53,789 --> 00:49:50,920
don't know how many they had but no and

1192
00:49:53,789 --> 00:49:54,209
he's just said there was similar little

1193
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:58,620
you know like that thank you thank you

1194
00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:01,900
very much for sharing that thank you

1195
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:04,870
yeah all right I think that's gonna be

1196
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:07,720
it for us guys this is not your last

1197
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:09,550
chance to share your stories tomorrow

1198
00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:11,590
actually Jason and I are going to be

1199
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,320
doing an experience or session where you

1200
00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:17,160
can come and talk amongst a group of

1201
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:19,860
supportive people to tell your stories

1202
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:22,090
no matter what it is what happened to

1203
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:24,040
you doesn't have to be just UFOs if

1204
00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:27,130
you've had a strange paranormal

1205
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:29,020
experience anything we want to hear

1206
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:30,520
about it and obviously we love hearing

1207
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:33,880
those stories on our podcast but that

1208
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:35,290
will be your time to share their stories

1209
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:37,510
and they won't be shared yeah yeah

1210
00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:40,210
absolutely so if you don't come to that

1211
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:42,190
you can find us here all weekend to

1212
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:45,430
reach out to us again the more people

1213
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:48,040
that tell stories the more we normalize

1214
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,930
this topic and bring it to the

1215
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:52,240
mainstream to be like stuff's going on

1216
00:50:56,310 --> 00:50:55,030
we got to talk about this so I want to

1217
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:56,320
thank you for coming to this today for

1218
00:51:00,840 --> 00:50:58,810
those who share their stories and for

1219
00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,850
joining me on this live recording of

1220
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:02,500
somewhere in this gaius so thank you

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00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:47,690
[Music]

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[Applause]

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